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Tomáš Baránek's avatar

Thank you, Ben, for your deep essay and for sharing my mother's artwork.

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Ben - I enjoyed this and, as someone who sees both the limitations and benefits of LLMs (it's terrifying the think that, if LLMs are mostly a detour on the way to some kind of more advanced intelligence, what that's actually going to actually look like), I'm curious if you read a recent critique on the stochastic parrot paper that's making the rounds:

https://www.verysane.ai/p/polly-wants-a-better-argument

I don't pretend to understand all the ins and outs, but I found this more convincing than the original paper and I've listened to Emily Bender on a podcast and I have to say I was not impressed. Continued insistence that LLMs cannot do certain things in the face of evidence to the contrary makes it easy to tune out skeptics. That said, a lot of what happens under the hood of these models is certainly not what most users think is happening which is what makes conversations between users and non-users and tech folks and lay folks so challenging. Last thought - on the measurement side, I think the researchers shy away from the "human" stuff because they just don't know how to measure it. For the chess example (and I think of the Alpha Go example from a number of years ago), it does seem like the AI models and humans are playing different games and, on a technical level, I read the report as claiming humans cannot beat the AI's as the rules are currently written which seems to be unequivocal. I get that your argument is humans play for different reasons, but how does a research paper go about measuring that?

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